"A ketogentic diet is starvation. Not what any ancestral society was ever trying for, it’s just an adaptation. Even in the most difficult place to live on earth they successfully avoided chronic ketosis like the plague."
Richard Nikoley at the Free The Animal blog here.
And here is the laugh, it's on a thread talking about confirmation bias. What larks as Dillinger would say.
Maybe someone should tell Borofergie and Libby their on a starvation diet. Apart from having the best BG numbers of any type two diabetics I know (HbA1c mid fours) great lipid panels, huge reduced and sustained weight loss, very fit and BTW both on zero diabetes medication. Oh, and did I mention they both eat very well and are a million miles away from starvation. Both follow a strict keto diet.
Eddie
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A quote from George Henderson on Wooo's blog, April 19:
"Re: Inuit ketones,
The explanation probably lies here: (forget the T1D) http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15893109
Cold-adapted carnivores, e.g. dolphins. run "diabetic" BG on a "ketogenic" diet.
They are really good at gluconeogenesis, but because low insulin, no harm is done - just cryoprotection.
This might decrease ketones somewhat."
I guess Nikoley wants to refute Dr Eades' post on the same subject:
http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/ketones-and-ketosis/beware-confirmation-bias/
Presumably Ducks Dodger is one of RN's stooges?
Dr Eades put up a great post. RN is making a lot of noise at the moment to flog the next book, as is EK and Jimmy.
Duckdodger one of Richards dogs is making even more noise but no bite. Anyway resistant starch is the months big topic, then it will be back to spuds, Kefir and milk by the gallon.
It's all fun and games to flog books no one needs.
Eddie
From the Carbsane blog today.
"carbsane Mod • 7 hours ago
No "EatLessMoveMoore" ... I will not publish comments by you.
Richard Nikoley carbsane • 42 minutes ago
I stopped publishing them too, Evelyn."
Only the other day Indy said they were two of the same, RN sucking up to Carbsane, whatever next. Recommending each others books ?
Jeez I have seen it all, what some will do for money eh.
Eddie
I don't think Nikoley has much credibility anymore, he just comes across as a "flip-flopping" idiot (I also can't have any respect for someone that called Mandela "a terrorist").
I do kinda agree that perpetual ketosis is not a particularly natural state. Anybody who has ever dabbled with the ketostix will tell you that staying in ketosis takes conscious effort. Too many carbs and you're out. Too much protein and your out. Even too much fat and you're out.
However, it seems likely to me that many of our ancestors lived on the brink of starvation for much if the year. Ketosis is what kept them alive.
I don't think that there is much credible evidence that ketosis is unhealthy (other than a few thyroid related anecdotes). If I have to choose between the speculative risks of ketosis, or the real risks of diabetic complications, I know what I'd choose.
The Inuit article was completely naive: you can't stay in deep ketosis on a meat only diet.
My fasting BG starts with a "4" at the moment. It seems to be working for me.
Stephen
"I don't think that there is much credible evidence that ketosis is unhealthy (other than a few thyroid related anecdotes). If I have to choose between the speculative risks of ketosis, or the real risks of diabetic complications, I know what I'd choose."
When I started lowcarbing I dropped to 30 carbs and around 1300 calories a day. Within three months 50lb weight lost. I went back to 2000 calories and 50 carbs per day, for me it is an age thing, and looking at the odds.
You are twenty years or so younger than me, with a young family, you have to go for the best you can do. I am sure you have gone the right way. At the end of the day, what choice do you have, if you want to be around in 30 years time and with four limbs, functioning kidneys ans eyes still seeing.
No guarantees, there never will be, all we can do is give it our best shot.
Eddie
"What larks" to some maybe. Should health be used for "showbusiness"? All your words. There are good bloggers and not so good bloggers. Where do you fit in Eddie?
Nona
""What larks" to some maybe. Should health be used for "showbusiness"? All your words. There are good bloggers and not so good bloggers. Where do you fit in Eddie?
Nona"
It is beyond all doubt, I am one of the worlds greatest bloggers re. low carbing and the control of type two diabetes and obesity !
That being said, others have a very different opinion. But let me tell you this. I would cavort about butt naked on Utube with a banana up my arse, if I could save one diabetic from amputation, kidney failure and blindness.
I have got to an age I do not give a fuck what people think of me, other than my wife, family and friends.
Eddie
If you don't think Eddie is a great blogger, then you obviously haven't read the "Monty Beantipper" Blog. Quite honestly one of the greatest pieces of literature in the history of the English language.
So true Stephen,but let us not forget his monumental work in the promotion of low carb high fat.
A true pioneer, in the march, against starch.
Eddie
After thinking a lot about the matter, and reading a lot, especially Peter's blog, I am in a mild ketosis most of the time,sometimes off it, in a deep ketosis when I travel,or I don't feel my best, when I am doing something important or have to have a very constant energy level.
There are several reasons for my choice.
Ketosis is a perfectly natural and healthy state during which the body uses stored or dietary fat for fuel. In order to enter this state, carbohydrate intake needs to fall below a certain level. Ideally, a healthy metabolism should regularly use ketosis, while fasting overnight for example, to fuel the body's processes and utilise stored fat reserves. Most of the body's organs, the heart for example, in fact run very efficiently on ketones.
Eddie
Ketosis feels great for an adopted person. I decided not to train my body to switch the glucose production of my liver too readily.
Stephen Ferguson said...
If you don't think Eddie is a great blogger, then you obviously haven't read the "Monty Beantipper" Blog. Quite honestly one of the greatest pieces of literature in the history of the English language.
Yeap that's Eddy, all the drama. all the time
Stephen Ferguson said...
I do kinda agree that perpetual ketosis is not a particularly natural state.
I don't think that there is much credible evidence that ketosis is unhealthy (other than a few thyroid related anecdotes). "
One only needs to look at Jimmy Moore to see what "nutritional ketosis" will do to you.
I really wonder, why some people assume that JM's problems started when he got involved into LCarbing? The sad truth is that the people with too much weight to loose are sort-of out of working options.
I personally support ketosis for the mental benefits and for appetite control. Not everybody who can benefit from ketosis needs to be diagnosed with something really big , many females have mood problems associated with hormonal fluctuations, menopause often brings mood fluctuations. There are a lot of people around me who take anty-anxiety meds and anty-depressants.
"One only needs to look at Jimmy Moore to see what "nutritional ketosis" will do to you"
The plural of "anecdote" is not "data".
I'm in ketosis, and I've never been healthier, fitter, or happier.
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